Capital District                                                                                                       July 12, 2004

Transportation Committee                                                                                                           

 

RECORD OF MEETING

WORKING GROUP B

 

 

DATE/TIME/PLACE: July 1, 2004, 10:00 AM; CDTC Offices

 

ATTENDANCE: Bob Hansen (NYSDOT R-1), Brian Menyuk (NYSDOT); Sreekumar Nampoothiri (CDTC); Chris O'Neill (CDTC), Henry Peyrebrune; Jill Ross-Schmelz (NYSTA), Deb Stacey (CDTC); Ann Sutkin (NYSDOT R-1), Kristina Younger (CDTA).

 

DISCUSSION SUMMARY:

 

·       NYSDOT presented an update to the bridge maintenance and replacement cost estimates that were previously presented to the working group.  In general, bridge needs were evaluated based on functional and structural deficiencies.  Cost estimates are based on actual historical costs per square foot of deck area.  Costs were not inflated. Thruway bridges were not considered.

 

195 bridges were analyzed.  Bridges over interstate routes that carry crossroads were not included in the analysis. Future needs were identified according to geographic area (i.e. I87:Exit 8 to Exit 17) and according to three 10 year strategic periods—2005-2015, 2015-2025 and 2035-2035.  Based on these aggregations, it was estimated that almost $500 million will be needed during the first 10 year strategic period, and additional $270 million during the second strategic period and almost $100 million between 2025 and 2035 (in 2004 dollars).  These estimates are conservative, in that they reflect mostly rehabilitation rather that replacement and expansion.

 

The working group requested that NYSDOT put together less conservative estimates as well, addressing replacement needs (to address structural concerns and safety concerns) and limited capacity issues.

 

·       The Working Group requested that the NYSTA use the assumptions outlined in the NYSDOT’s estimates to prepare an “unofficial” estimate of needs on the Thruway system in the Capital District.

 

·       The Working Group reviewed the additional MIST data that was distributed at the meeting.  The working group concurred that the analysis should be performed for the remaining interstates in the area.  It was also recommended that a reliability index be created for the data to show, for example, how many more minutes an incident will add onto an average trip.  It was noted that travel time predictability is a feature that most area travelers are looking for when they enter the traffic stream.

 

·       “Next Steps” were discussed by the Working Group.  Essentially, a draft report must be prepared by early fall, outlining infrastructure needs, ITS needs and highlights of the MIST data analysis.  CDTC staff will draft a detailed outline and make it available for review prior to the August meeting.  It was suggested that the report include a discussion regarding consequences of current policies of ‘band-aiding” the system and suspending protective maintenance because of budgetary constraints.

 

ACTION ITEMS: 

 

·       Brian Menyuk will amend the ITS infrastructure matrix.  Brian will also look into the availability of GIS based signal data (for signal coordination analysis).  Copies of the Sear-Brown report on signal coordination will be made available to the Working Group. 

·       Bob Hansen will prepare two additional infrastructure scenarios—one that looks at structural replacement of some older bridges and the 787 viaducts and one that looks at capacity needs.

·       Sreekumar Nampoothiri will continue to work on summarizing and analyzing the MIST data.  Feasible performance measures will be developed for Working Group discussion.

·       CDTC Staff will prepare a detailed outline for the draft report.

 

NEXT MEETING(s): Thursday, August 12, 2004? from 10:00 to 12:00 noon and Thursday September 9th, 2004.